[Spellyans] 'teacher'

Chris Parkinson brynbow at btinternet.com
Fri Jun 18 19:03:12 BST 2010

But how do you know that Lhuyd invented  'deskadzher'? He might have been told  what the word for 'teacher'  was!  The other problem I have is re the word for 'four' m. You give peswar/pajer in your dictionary. 'Peswar' equates with 'pedwar' in Welsh and we know that Cornish 's' is often Welsh 'd'. So did the original Brythonic word for 'four' have a 'd' or an 's' or neither? Did it go from 'd' to 's' and then to 'j'?

The other question I'd like to ask during this lull in the orthography discussion  is actually more important, I think.   It's about indirect questions. Would you say we are free to use 'mar'  for 'if = whether' in Cornish? In Welsh the use of 'os' (conditional 'if') for 'whether' is quite common, probably as the result of the influence of English. But it is frowned on by many as 'bad' Welsh. The right way to introduce an indirect question is with the particle 'a' plus the actual question. In speech the 'a' is omitted.  I find I come across both in Cornish. In the 'Resurrexio' I have only seen 'mar' used. In 'Jooan Chei a Horr'  ( para.39)  it is not. So what do we do? Choose either?


   ----- Original Message -----
  From: nicholas williams 
  To: Standard Cornish discussion list 
  Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 2:30 PM
  Subject: [Spellyans] 'teacher'

  The UC word dyscador, dyscajor derives from Lhuyd's deskadzher 'professor'. The form with assibilated -j- < -d-
  is incorrect, since -d- is not assibilated when r stands in the next syllable. This can be clearly seen from such forms as
  peder 'four' (feminine), Peder, Pedyr 'Peter', gweder 'glass',  puscader 'fisherman', pehador, pehadur 'sinner', etc.

  It should be pointed out, however, that a word for 'teacher' occurs in traditional Cornish. Tregear writes:

  ha yth esas ow tristya fatell ota gydyar then re ew dall ha golow then re vs in tewolgow, ha dyskar then re nagew fure 'and you trust that you
  are a guide to the blind and a light to those in darkness and a teacher to those who are not wise'. 

  This is based on Romans 2.20. The phrase dyskar then re nag ew fure is 'instructor to the foolish' in the Authorised Version.
  Nance has dyscador/dyscajor only in his 1936 dictionary, but gives both dyscador and dyscor in
  his English-Cornish dictionary of 1951. Since dyscador/dyscajor is unattested in traditional Cornish while dyscor is attested in TH, we should perhaps prefer Tregear's word to Lhuyd's invention.



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