butlerdunnit at ntlworld.com
Tue Jun 22 19:58:59 BST 2010
It's interesting to see the thinking behind your adoption of 'tota
Cornicitus' especially from someone very favourable to LC which I had
assumed'd be more skewed towards borrowings which by their nature are more
likely to be Late ( though not necessarily so!)
As Jennifer said here some time back, if the language has incorporated both
Celtic and borrowed lexical items why not use both? I agree 'stevel' is a
good word not to thrown over lightly!
On the pronunciation of '-ow' I've been following the UC stipulations. Are
these now totally discredited?
The plural -au suffix in Welsh is pronounced differently in North Welsh,
more as an 'a' sound than the South 'eye' if I recall my old Welsh
lecturer's ideas ( he was South Wales) I've heard South Waleans say North
Welsh sounds like it's being pronounced with a Liverpudlean accent!!
Vowels must be the worst things to master, the beggars!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Weatherhill" <craig at agantavas.org>
To: <spellyans at kernowek.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:56 PM
Subject: [Spellyans] vocabulary
> I'm concerned over one or two views that have been expressed re.
> vocabulary. On one hand I'm hearing support for tota Cornicitas, and on
> the other, I'm hearing that a word only attested in OCV and not in the
> MC/Tudor texts shouldn't be used (stevel being an example that
> immediately springs to mind; use rom instead is the advice). I don't
> agree with this. Here's an example to illustrate why I think this way.
> Dyek (SWF: diek), 'lazy' occurs on OCV as 'dioc', and not in MC at all.
> Until the 80s, when Dick Gendall was the first to look at Late Cornish in
> depth, it was being assumed that the word didn't survive into MC. In
> fact, it must have survived into Late Cornish because it turns up in
> dialect as 'jack'. So, if the word made it to Late Cornish and dialect,
> it follows that it must have existed in MC. We just don't have a text
> that features it and, let's face it, we only have a fraction of the texts
> that must once have existed. Attestation in MC texts supports the use of
> a word; absence from what survives of the MC texts is not a reason for
> rejection. It only tells us that the word isn't found in those few
> texts; not that it didn't exist.
> For me, tota Cornicitas is essential.
> I'm afraid that some words being put forward will never find use with me.
> I don't see the point of 'valy' for "valley", when so many Cornish words
> for different types of valley already exist. Nor am I minded to reject
> lyw/liw (or however we're spelling it) in favour of 'color'. I want to
> write Cornish. I already know English.
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