[Spellyans] loan words

Ceri Young rcr_young at yahoo.co.uk
Wed Feb 23 23:13:57 GMT 2011

Michael, why would you insist such a loan word would need to be 'native 
Brythonic' anyway? Welsh, Breton & Cornish emerged from a Romano-Brittonic 
language, didn't they? Their common base is not purely Celtic, so why the 
hostility to a loan word that Welsh anciently borrowed from Latin, but which on 
this occasion, Cornish apparently didn't, if it patches a hole in the language? 
It's a product of the same ancient forge and raw materials. Unless it breaks 
general rules by which SW Brittonic would have assimilated a Latin loan word, in 
the way of its appearence etc. I'd love to know what your objections are.

I learn from this forum that it's horribly 'prejudicial' for Cornish speakers to 
wish to avoid what they might deem unnecessarily borrowed Anglicisms, but not at 
all 'prejudicial' to propose to purge Revived Cornish of its more recently 
borrowed words from Cornish's Romano-Brittonic sibling languages. How would 
Spellyans seek to police such assertions? And when will Spellyans choose to 
deem the revived language as sufficiently alive that Cornish speakers are able 
to shape their own language via their own usage, independently of the 
constraints imposed by the attested lexicon?

Best wishes,

From: Michael Everson <everson at evertype.com>
To: Standard Cornish discussion list <spellyans at kernowek.net>
Sent: Wed, 23 February, 2011 20:47:02
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] loan words

On 23 Feb 2011, at 19:32, Eddie Climo wrote:
> On 2011 Whe 23, at 19:21, Michael Everson wrote:
> On 23 Feb 2011, at 19:11, Craig Weatherhill wrote:
>>> I'd have thought that if remembra, ryver, etc. are recommended to be accepted 
>>>as Cornish; then ffagl must be accepted as Welsh, regardless of origin.
>> Of course it is Welsh. It's just not a native Brythonic word. 
> Prove it!
> Och, why bother. After one and a half millennia, the word's a naturalised 
>Brythonic 'citizen'.

A loanword into a British language is a loanword; it is not "native Brythonic". 
All I did, as a linguist, was point this out. You might just say "My mistake" 
and learn the difference between a native word and a borrowing. 

> Only an anally-retentive pedant could quibble with that, don'cha think?

This is discourteous. It is unnecessarily discourteous, too. Please review the 
rules of this forum, and consider this to be a warning. Remember who your 
friends are, please. There is no call for you to be so antagonistic here. 

Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

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