[Spellyans] "small" in Cornish
Craig Weatherhill
craig at agantavas.org
Fri Sep 2 08:44:26 BST 2011
No, they don't settle questions, but they do provide valuable evidence
that we can't afford to ignore. I find 14th century examples of
byghan (in West Penwith!), which is exactly the period Nance was
looking at, the Ordinalia also originating in that century. I even
have a 13th century bichan (the very same location). Place-names
provide the only evidence that the variant bygh/bigh was also in use -
as far as I know, that word isn't in the texts but is in several place-
names.
Chayr is found in several names, as well as cader. Immediately
springing to mind are Mawnan Cheer (chayr + saint's name in Eng. word
order); Carn Cheer and Chair Ladder (chayr + lader 'thief' - this
isn't leder 'slope, cliff', as this feature is also referred to as
'Tutton Harry an Lader' - seat of Harry the Thief [N.Boson]).
Craig
On 2 Gwn 2011, at 08:24, nicholas williams wrote:
> I cannot agree. Place-names are often archaic. No one disputes that
> byghan occurs in place-names, but byghan is not attested in the
> written texts. Byghan does not reflect the spoken facts of Middle
> Cornish, but rather the inherited and perhaps no longer understood
> vocabulary of a previous generations. If we had current place-names
> as our source, we would write Budock, the Old Cornish form, but OM
> has the more recent Middle Cornish buthek. If we based our English
> on place-names we would not go to the supermarket but to the Over-
> Chipping.
> Place-names are of enormous importance but they cannot be used as an
> indication of the spoken language. Nance may well have been led to
> believe that *byghan existed in Middle Cornish because he had seen
> the form in place-names. This is essentially a question of the
> periodisation of Cornish, the different eras and historical forms of
> the language and Nance, not having been trained in historical
> linguistics, did not understand such a question. Indeed his innate
> purism and desire to see a wholly "Celtic" Cornish meant that he was
> blind to it. This is why UC is such a jumble of OC, MC, Lhuyd and
> unnecessary calques on Breton and Welsh. My rule vis-à-vis place-
> names would be this: place-names can corroborate a form found in the
> texts. They should not be used as evidence against the witness of
> the texts.
> The word Cader occurs in the names of rocks, but the word in the
> texts for 'chair' is chayr. The forms bighan, byghan, beacon,
> biggan, biffin are all attested in place-names. So, however, are
> bean, bian and byan. Place-names in this case cannot settle the
> question. The texts can: the earlier Middle Cornish form of the word
> for 'small' is either byhan; the later Middle Cornish and Late
> Cornish form is byan, bian.
>
> Nicholas
>
> On 2011 Gwn 1, at 22:20, Craig Weatherhill wrote:
>
>> Nance looked at place-name evidence which does attest byghan (quite
>> frequently) and even bichan. Those records, too, are traditional
>> Cornish. I've mentioned before that we need to consider more than
>> just the texts, because we have so few texts of Cornish surviving.
>> To revive this language, we must fully consider the principle of
>> tota Cornicitas.
>
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