[Spellyans] SWF (t) and Maga web site
j.mills at email.com
Thu Aug 16 12:36:02 BST 2012
Of course, traditional graphs must have the same recognition as the so-called 'main form'. To do otherwise is to derogate against a large proportion of the Cornish language community. The events of recent years have clearly demonstrated that the Cornish language community is not yet ready for a SINGLE written form. If CLP/Maga are to receive public funding, they are obliged to support the entire Cornish language community.
The question arises of how many variants constitute the "minimum" that is needed. The answer surely must be a sufficient number that the Cornish language community as a whole are prepared to accept and use the SWF. Thus arguing that certain forms may not be included because "the number of variants must be kept to a minimum", is likely to result in rejection of the SWF by a section of the community.
Ol an gwella,
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From: Daniel Prohaska
Sent: 08/15/12 07:25 PM
To: Standard Cornish discussion list
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] SWF (t) and Maga web site
The only "advantage" of universal ‹k› and ‹hw› is that it tidies up the mutation table a little. So if we traditional-graphers here want to see traditional graphs supported on par with the so-called main form, or even supercede them, we should work out a teaching guidance system how to teach mutations with traditional graphs.
The other propaganda issue that the KKesva and KK supporters tend to use is that Welsh has c-only and Breton has k-only so Cornishich should also have an "only" form for /k/. I always like the fact that Cornish was geographically and linguistically the piggy in the middle between W and B, so I always found it appropriate that C should have ‹k› and ‹c›.
I think we need to put in a group suggestion for the 13Review that says we want traditional graphs to have the same recognition as the main form, and that it is completely the individual writer's choice whether s/he uses SWF/k or SWF/t.
But since one of Maga's main concerns is the 'number of variants', maybe we should have traditional graphs only and drop SWF/k altogether. What do you think?
On Aug 15, 2012, at 7:08 PM, Hedley Climo wrote:
Ogh, Jon whek,
MAGA supports SWF/T by not having it in their dictionary, nor in their signage, nor on their website, nor in their 'taster' sessions…nor anywhere else.
In the self same way, as Jenefer says, they support *all* the other forms of Cornish: historical MS Cornish, UC, UCR, RLC in its diverse guises, KS etc. And, from what we're seeing, we can look forward to even more 'support' for Traditional Cornish including SWF/T) after 2013, when it will doubtless disappear utterly from MAGA's remit
Why, that's just how the KKesva and the KKowethas have been supporting 'the whole Revival' since 1987. Did we not hear the 'Big Yin' (or was it the 'Big Yang'?) from the KKowethas as she told us just those same old whethlow at Lostwithiel last October?
Of course, all that 'support' has worked wonders, as shown by the plethora of fine publications in authentic Cornish produced over that period by Spyrys a Gernow, Agan Tavas, Cussel an Tavas, Evertype, Gwask an Orlewen and others.
Rak meth ha sham! Fatel yu hedna cales dhe gonvedhes?
Tullys A Taunton.
On 2012 Est 15, at 14:13, Jon Mills wrote:
If, as you say, "the point with the glossary is not orthography", then why is it in only one version of the SWF. A decision must have been made not to provide the traditional forms. That decision concerns orthography. You say that "The point with the SWF is to provide a neutral spelling for official use." But the spelling chosen for the SWF Glossary is not neutral. It derogates against those who prefer tradtional forms. You also write, "It does not mean and never has, that other orthographies are not supported." So how precisely do you intend to support other orthographies?
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