[Spellyans] Can anyone help me

Herbie Blackburn kevin.blackburn1 at ntlworld.com
Wed Jul 11 16:54:45 BST 2012



Kegel / Gygel (for Kygel, Ordinalia.OM); Kigel (Vocabularium Cornicum)



From: spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net [mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net] On Behalf Of Eddie Climo
Sent: 11 July 2012 16:51
To: Standard Cornish discussion list
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Can anyone help me


Hi Linus,


Nance 1938 gives:


kygel f. distaff (C.Voc. kigel, Dialect "kiggal")

Eddie Climo

On 2012 Gor 11, at 15:17, Linus Band <linusband at gmail.com> wrote:

First of all, sorry for abusing the list for something non-Cornish, but you are the easiest to reach group of peopleu with Celtic expertise. As you might know, I am writing my MA-thesis about the Ushant dialect of Breton. The deadline for handing in my thesis is this Friday, and I am therefore very busy checking everything at the moment. I found out that I need to take a look at two books that are supposed to be in our University Library. The library is closed this week, however, (of all times!) so I had to order them to be sent to a different university location. The problem is that one of the books seems to have disappeared from the catalogue, and the other that I did order just won't arrive. So, I was wondering if any of you has access to one or both of these books.

The books are:

Fleuriot, Dictionnaire des glosses en vieux breton (Paris 1964).

(I need to know what page 187 says about the gloss gueldenes gl. 'insula indomita')


Vendryes, Lexique étymologique de l’irlandais ancien, 7 vols (Dublin 1959-1996).

( I need to know what etymology he gives for cuicél 'distaff')


To keep it somewhat on the topic of Cornish: is the Cornish word for 'distaff' attested in the traditional texts? In Middle Breton it is queiguel, the Ushant dialect has [ˈkigel] (Peurunvan keigel). In Middle Welsh we find cogeil (Modern Welsh cogail, cogel).


All the best,



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