[Spellyans] UC/UCR

Herbie Blackburn kevin.blackburn1 at ntlworld.com
Tue Nov 13 11:15:46 GMT 2012



Again, thanks for the reply. Interestingly William of Ockham came from just
4 miles down the road from me!


I shall continue to use UC/UCR in my comparative studies - you and Occam
make a lot of sense!






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From: Spellyans [mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net] On Behalf Of Ray
Sent: 13 November 2012 09:16
To: Standard Cornish discussion list
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] UC/UCR



On 12 Du 2012, at 21:59, Herbie Blackburn wrote:

I know this might be a stupid thing to say, and may be a daft and simplistic
opinion, but..


How did Cornish ever get into the mess it appears to be in!


When I first started studying Cornish in 1980 and obtained a copy of Nance's
English-Cornish / Cornish-English dictionary there seemed to be one truth.
The language held within it seemed mostly self consistent and since then I
have found it to be very much rooted naturally in the progression of Cornish
from its earliest writing, through texts like the Ordinalia, BK, Jordan,
etc. but also to have picked up and corrected / normalised things from
Lhuyd, Rev. Williams, Pryce etc.


Then when I first saw Nicholas Williams's UCR Dictionary, I thought the
future of Cornish was secure and resolved.


Absolutely correct.  If only the language movement had been happy to
incorporate the kind of adjustments to Unified in the 1980's that UC(r)
proposes we would not be in the mess that we are in today.  Members of the
yet to be reformed Agan Tavas did try to get agreement to a compromise of
that sort but without success.


So, I cannot believe how the legacy of Nance, and the fantastic effort of
Nicholas are still being argued against, and the amount of negative effort
that has been wasted.


Some of us still think that Unified/UC(r) is the best option for Cornish.
Perhaps one day I will write a scholarly paper explaining why although I
have set out the various reasons from time to time on this forum and,
briefly, in issue 43 of An Gowsva.


As I say, I know this is a simplistic view, and I'm not close enough really
to judge, but...is anyone able to sum up where they believe the Cornish
language debate has got to, and the likely outcome?


No Herbie it's not simplistic it's an example of Occam's Razor, e.g. "It is
possible to describe the other  <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocentrism>
planets in the Solar System as revolving around the Earth, but that
explanation is unnecessarily complex compared to the contemporary consensus
that all planets in the Solar System
revolve around the Sun."


Those of us who think that the planets revolve around the Sun have got to
stick together and hold our ground.




An interested (very interested) outsider

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