[Spellyans] SWF Review

Lowe Jenefer jlowe at cornwall.gov.uk
Tue Sep 18 17:21:45 BST 2012

Dear all,

 I feel I have to comment on the email sent by Mina as it does not
reflect my experience in working with the people mentioned at all. The
Cornish language community has an unfortunate tendency to cling to
preconceptions and labels which are often without foundation and serve
only to prolong and promote divisions, which is regrettable.  I am not
commenting on the choice of members for the Review Board as this was a
matter for the Management Board, but am concerned to note our
experience.  Jori has served as head of the translation group for a few
years working firstly across all orthographies and latterly with the SWF
which has given him an excellent knowledge of the advantages and
problems found by those from all backgrounds in using it. From the days
of leading the strategy group onwards we have found him very fair in
terms of his attitude to other orthographies. Neil remains committed to
Modern Cornish but equally has worked with the SWF and is particularly
keen to ensure that the SWF is capable of use by Modern Cornish
speakers. Maureen and Polin have both published in SWF and used it in
teaching. I have no doubt that everyone, given a free choice, would be
inclined to take the SWF nearer to the orthographic form they have
mainly used and prefer, but it does not follow that that will cloud
their judgement or render them incapable of seeing things from other
points of view. Neil and Polin have both worked with the SWF dictionary
board as well. Esme comes originally from a Unified background, but is a
member of An Kylgh Kernewek and uses the SWF for teaching. 

 What backgrounds people are from does not necessarily affect their
ability to be fair and weigh evidence and support appropriately and it
is vastly unfair to pre-judge and categorise in this way. If anyone has
an issue with the way in which the Board has worked once in operation,
then a complaint may legitimately be raised at that point.


Jenefer Lowe

Development Manager / Dyghtyer displegya

Cornish Language Partnership / Keskowethyans an Taves Kernewek

Cornwall Council / Konsel Kernow

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From: spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net
[mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net] On Behalf Of Mina Dresser
Sent: 17 September 2012 19:14
To: spellyans at kernowek.net
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] SWF Review


In reply to Ken's email.

Vanessa was originally  a 'unified' speaker, Albert B is  of course SWF,
Neil was 'Modern' Cornish. Jory a diehard Kemmyn speaker. Polin Prys and
particularly Maureen  Pierce are both 'fanatic' kemmyn speakers and
very very anti Modern.     Both ladies told me just a few weeks ago that
they were not in favour of the SWF even though they had to support it,
and I gathered they would prefer the SWF to be further inclined towards
Kemmyn. I don't know Esme - have not even heard her name.Hope that


This review board is very light weight. Can someone explain please what
its job will be.  Apart from Albert and possibly Neil, no one is 

anywhere close to being a linguist. It will be Treyarnon all over again,
with no "real" experts on the committee.  


I suggest that something be done about the composition of this board.
Regards Mina

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken MacKinnon <ken at ferintosh.org>
To: 'Standard Cornish discussion list' <spellyans at kernowek.net>
Sent: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 12:50
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] SWF Review

A gowetha,


The message below from Jenefer gives details of the SWF review group.
Can you identify which aspects of the Cornish language movement each of
these names represents? 


   - an ken Ken


Prof Ken MacKinnon,

Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,

The Black Isle, by Dingwall,

Ross-shire  IV7 8HX   Scotland /UK

Tel: 01349 - 863460  E-mail: ken at ferintosh.org



Kesva Dhaswel an FSS henwys / SWF Review Board Appointed


Pur dha yw genen deklarya henwyn an ombroforyon re beu dewisys avel
eseli Kesva Dhaswel an FSS. Ny a wor grassow meur dhe bubonan nep re
ombrofyas rag an ober ma - nyns o es rag Kesva Dhyghtya an Keskowethyans
ervira yntra kemmys a bobel da.  Agan govenek yw pubonan a wrug ombrofya
dhe gemeres ran y'n argerdh yn un profya aga thybyansow hag omjunnya y'n
keskowsow dres an vledhen nessa.


Na wreugh ankevi bos kedhlow adro dhe'n argerdh ha formow dhe worra yn
rag testennow ha tybyansow war'n wiasva lemmyn.


We are very pleased to announce the names of those who have been
appointd to the SWF Review Board. We are very grateful to all who put
themselves forward - it was not an easy task for the Partnership Board
to decide from so many excellent applications. We hope that all those
who applied will be able to play a full part in the process through
offering their ideas and joining in the discussions during the next
twelve months.


Don't forget that details of the process and forms for submission of
topics for consideration are now on the website.



Kesva Dhaswel an FSS / SWF Review Board 


Jori Ansell


Vanessa Beeman (Chair)


Albert Bock


Neil Kennedy


Maureen Pierce


Polin Prys


Esme Tackley


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