[Spellyans] cledh etc

Chris Parkinson brynbow at btinternet.com
Sun Jan 13 18:36:02 GMT 2013

Nicholas writes that the trouble with using LC as the basis for the revival is that it cuts learners off from the bulk of Cornish literature. You could argue that using the scribal tradition, i.e. the written language, prevents learners from acquiring a fluent spoken language. Lhuyd has given us the main approximation we have to the spoken language when last used. Speech is primary in language, both historically and in L1 learning. Literary forms normally come later in an educational setting. LC users, by following Lhuyd  to a large extent, follow this order of development. So what is needed is indeed an orthography which recognises the close relation between  written and spoken Cornish. Of course they are the same language! But LC users are finding that although both KS and SWFL make allowances for the written/spoken distinction they are not enough, and also there is still occasionally the suggestion that the primary spoken language is somehow sub-standard.

  From: Nicholas Williams 
  To: Standard Cornish discussion list 
  Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 2:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [Spellyans] cledh etc

  Middle and Late Cornish are not different languages. Indeed some of the features which we associate with LC are found in the Passion Poem,
  e.g. genama 'with me', ve for me 'I', danon for danvon, ze wy for dhywgh why, etc.
  The trouble with using LC as the basis for the revival is that it cuts learners off from the bulk of Cornish literature.
  KS is designed to allow a variety of pronunciations, both Middle and Late, within the same system.
  The Creation of the World is the latest text to use something like the traditional orthography but is sufficiently
  late to be recognisable to the users of LC. That is why KS uses CW as its starting point. 


  On 13 Jan 2013, at 13:51, Janice Lobb wrote:

    Isn't this part of the problem? Some of you see this as contemporaneous with the scribes, while those of us who favour Modern Cornish see this as the time when the language was LAST spoken (which is presumably closer to what it would sound like now had it not died out). I don't care how consonants are written, I'll go along with traditional or Lhuydian graphs, but the vowels make me tear my hair out!


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