[Spellyans] a vry
brynbow at btinternet.com
Thu Nov 7 19:20:56 GMT 2013
I take your point about colloquial language in the plays. But one last
question if you dont think the spoken language is substandard, then why
were the type of changes that I enumerated in May made in Chapter 40 of
Desky Kernowek to many LC examples? Your doing this has evidently given us
the wrong impression.
From: Spellyans [mailto:spellyans-bounces at kernowek.net] On Behalf Of
Sent: 07 November 2013 18:36
To: Standard Cornish discussion list
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] a vry
Of course I don't think the spoken language is substandard.
I do, however, think that Lhuyd's own Cornish is a very poor model indeed.
Have you ever read his preface in AB from beginning to end?
Would any teacher really use the following as a text from which to learn for
MI a uôr por-dha (Pednzhivìkio Skientek) bôz mêr an gyndan uarnav, dho îl
dheugh en le kenzama
neb Apolog py esgyzianz, rag kemeraz uarnav dho Skrefa ha gora mêz Gramatek
Kernûak, pan nag ou vi na genez en Pou Kernou, na huâth tregyez en an
Ulâz-ma mûi vel padzhar
mîz. An guirioneth yu hemma. Mi a vev Kelmez heruedh Gorhemmen neb Arlodho
Kembra, ha nepre erel dre ol an Glàskor-ma, dho skrefa ketella kalzha vi,
uar an Tavaz Brethonek
(po kotha Lavar an Enez-ma) nèpeth moy try veva skrefyz arâg, gen an mêr-fyr
Ahro an Deskadzher Davies, ha nepre erel abarh Brethonek Kembrîan.
The sentences which Lhuyd records from other people are quite a different
Me a vedn gàs gweles arta gordhuwher AB: 244c
Ujy gàs tas byw? AB 246a
Yw an vowes-na gàs whor? AB: 246
Yw hodna gàs whor why? AB 244c
Yma ev pòr haval dhis AB 242b,
The point about such sentences from the spoken language, however, is that
they are not Lhuyd's; they were merely recorded by him.
We are also grateful to Lhuyd for preserving the whole of Jowan Chy an
Hordh. In several cases, however, Lhuyd did not understand what he heard in
The fact is that the plays are full of colloquial language, they were after
all composed to be heard, not read.
Te falge horsen [n]am brag vy
avond tellek theth cregy
You false son of a bitch, don't threaten me.
Buzz off, you ragamuffin, hang you!
is a good example.
It is a canard to suggest that Middle Cornish is literary while Late Cornish
is colloquial. Gendall has made such a claim, but it is not supported by the
On 7 Nov 2013, at 17:51, Chris Parkinson wrote:
Do you think he failed to an extent that makes his material too suspect to
use as a model?
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