[Spellyans] Excel SWF-KK-Traditional Corpus-WIP
craig at agantavas.org
Sat Jan 30 11:52:00 GMT 2016
I omitted Bodrugan from the unassimilated -dr- names - a family name and place-name in Gorran parish, just a few miles from St Ewe where Cornish was recorded to have been spoken in 1595.
The 12th century Old Cornish Vocabulary shows assimilation to be in the process of development, as some entries show assibilation and some do not.
It is the presence of assibilation in place-names on the mentioned bounds that shows the much-vaunted St Buryan Charter, purportedly signed by King Athelstan at Kingston-upon-Thames, to be bogus and a late medieval forgery.
Quite apart from the fact the date under Athelstan's signature is 943. Something of a miracle, considering that Athelstan died on Oct 27th, 940.
The 'St Ives Times and Echo' has just run a considerable 2-part article about the last traditional conversation in Cornish and, after some detailed consideration, concludes that it took place between John Davey, Jr. (d.1891), and John Hobson Matthews (d.1914) in the summer of 1889.
The author is only identified as B.C. Does anyone have an idea of who that might be?
This supports the evidence presented by Rod Lyon in "Cornish - the Struggle for Survival" that people were still being brought up in the language in the 19th century (albeit bilingually), in remote parishes such as Zennor and the upland part of Madron, with at least two (Elizabeth Vingoe [d.1903] and John Mann [80 years old in 1914] surviving into the 20th century. I can actually see Elizabeth Vingoe's house at Higher Boswarva from my upstairs windows.
We tend to count Jenner's Handbook as the start of the revival but, in fact, the revival began some time before that, through people like Jago, Bannister and Lach-Szyrma. On the evidence now available, I'd replace "revival" with "reawakening".
On 2016 Gen 29, at 22:21, Craig Weatherhill wrote:
> Confirmed. Also see Bodriggy, Hayle, and Bodrifty, Madron. Both much too far west for non-assibilation to have been preserved under any other circumstances.
> I tried hard to argue the case for Resrudh on the Signage Panel, but was outvoted on that. (Res- is retained by the SWF names when unstressed. Rys only when stressed).
> The dreadful Kammbronn has been retained, but in this case, it was taken out of our hands by the Partnership (we were close to agreement on Kammbron/Cammbron, which accords with SWF rules. Kammbronn does not, according to Albert). This remains the only place-name that was not decided by the Panel. I've managed to prevent historical foul-ups (as per CLB) in all bar 5 so far (out of 3,000 +) which, for a lone voice, isn't bad and warrants my sticking with it.
> On 2016 Gen 29, at 21:38, Nicholas Williams wrote:
>> I have a MacBook OSX version 10.12.2 and a rather ancient iPhone. I can read the whole thing on the iPhone, but only as far as ordyr on my laptop.
>> Since the glossary is in KK and SWF/M it is not of any great interest to me, particularly since much of the fuller KK section is, in my view, at best invention and at worst palpably incorrect, e.g. *bywnans, *klywes,
>> *Yudi ‘Judea’, *Nasara ’Nazareth—the attested spelling is Nazare, Nazary.
>> I notice that the KK for ‘Redruth’ is given as Rysrudh. The first element should have e rather than y. More importantly it is clear that the
>> consonant cluster -dr- in Cornish does not assibilate to -sr- in intervocalic position. This can be seen from such forms as pedry, hadre ‘while’, edrek, pedrevanas, godros, ladra, medra, etc.
>> Notice also that in BK Modred is either Modreth or Modres, showing that the final segment can be assibilated but the internal -dr- is not.
>> The Cornish for Redruth is Redruth: durth Pedn an Wollaz tho an Karrack Looez, ha tua Poreeah ha Redruth NBoson.
>> The final element is unstressed and I take it to be voiceless. Rysrudh in my view is unwarranted.
>> I think Craig will agree with me that -dr- in Redruth is not assibilated.
>>> On 29 Jan 2016, at 20:12, Harry 'Double-H' Hawkey <bendyfrog at live.com> wrote:
>>> What software / operating system / device are you using to open it? It works fine for me in excel and open office, windows and linux (should be 5,873 entries, zian is the last word).
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