[Spellyans] jangye-ryn

[Penny Squire]

Craig, Jangye-ryn cannot  be 'ice-house'!

What would an ice-house be doing near Winnianton, a modest farm on the cliffs north of Mullion? As far as I know, only manor houses and such could afford to have ice-houses built, plus all the time, trouble and expense of hauling ice in winter, mixing with salt, etc.  Pencarrow had one, built in the early 1800s, I don't know of any other in Cornwall, but there may have been some.  I doubt if ice houses were known in Cornwall much before then, and this place name is surely older.

Jangye-ryn almost certainly is jynnji-rynn or jynnji-run (engine house [on a] promontory, or engine house [on a] slope) - with both the 'j' and the 'g' of 'jangye' pronounced as in 'jail'. It has an 'a' where one would expect a 'y' or an 'i' admittedly, but that's Cornish place names for you!

And, of course, the word order is Cornish.

I do hope that this example of historical sloppy spelling by some unknown scribe does not encourage any more theories about vocalic alternation or dialects.

Penny





----- Original Message ----
From: Craig Weatherhill <weatherhill at freenet.co.uk>
To: Standard Cornish discussion list <spellyans at kernowek.net>
Sent: Thursday, 10 July, 2008 11:40:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] More on bys/bes words and diacritical marks

No, yeth should not be pronounced that way (and the only attested form 
of that word is, in fact <eyth> in Tregear).  The soft j or zh sound for 
initial Y is confined to very few words, of which yeyn and yet are the 
most commonly found..  I think this also turns up in the coastal name 
Jangye-ryn (Gunwalloe) which (apart from having suffered reversal to an 
English word order) appears to contain the compound yeyn-jy (ice-house, 
cold store).

Craig


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