[Spellyans] Porth

Sat Jul 26 13:01:44 BST 2008

OK shall do.  However, I have always felt that comment on the previous iteme 
of correspondence enables readers to understand what you are talking about.
'Netiquette' prevents that possibility .

- an Ken ken

(Prof) Ken MacKinnon,
Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,
The Black Isle, by Dingwall,
Ross-shire  IV7 8HX
Tel: 01349 - 863460
E-mail: kenmackinnon at enterprise.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "menystror" <menystror at kernowek.net>
To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Porth

> Ken,
>
> Could I ask you (and everyone else) not to quote the entire previous
> message every time you post to this list? Expecially when your
> comment is only a sentence or two.
>
> That's good netiquette for everyone.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> At 12:36 +0100 2008-07-25, Ken MacKinnon wrote:
>>Yes standards of production by Will Coleman are very good.   I shoukd 
>>olike
>>to see the Spellyans group aim at something for younger learners.
>>
>>- an Ken ken
>>
>>(Prof) Ken MacKinnon,
>>Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,
>>The Black Isle, by Dingwall,
>>Ross-shire  IV7 8HX
>>Tel: 01349 - 863460
>>E-mail: kenmackinnon at enterprise.net
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Craig Weatherhill" <weatherhill at freenet.co.uk>
>>To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>>Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:16 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Porth
>>
>>
>>>  Ken wheg,
>>>
>>>  No, I haven't as yet seen the Porth productions which, I understand,
>>>  have been put together by Will Coleman - in which case, they are bound
>>>  to be good.  Will performed wonders with his Sense of Place educational
>>>  project but, as usual, he was shamefully treated by the authorities and
>>>  got out of it.  Rather as I did (although I was pushed rather than
>>>  jumped).  As long as he can earn a living, he will achieve.  It's in 
>>> his
>>>  nature and his heart.  The Cornish language needs something like this,
>>>  though.  It is aimed at young people and it is to the shame of us all
>>>  that the younger generations have been neglected by all language
>>>  groups.  Of course, the lack of opportunity to get Cornish into schools
>>>  (up to now, that is) has not helped but there has been a lack of
>>>  understanding across the board that, if Cornish is to have any future 
>>> at
>>>  all, then we must target it at the young.  Here, we can't point the
>>>  finger at anyone - we have all been to blame, including the Gorsedd.
>>>
>>>  I can suggest to Rod that he puts his articles on CD.  His 
>>> pronunciation
>>>  is very good indeed, and his fluency is equalled by very few.
>>>
>>>  Craig
>>>
>>>
>>>  Ken MacKinnon wrote:
>>>>  Craig, and friends.  I was in the Bord na Gaidhlig office this 
>>>> afternoon
>>>>  and
>>>>  I noticed that a complimentary copy of Porth: CD and booklets had been
>>>>  recieved.  I have had a bit of a look through it already.  Yet to play
>>>>  the
>>>>  CD.
>>>>
>>>>  Has anyone else seen this production.  If so what do youi think of it?
>>>>  This
>>>>  is using and promoting the SWF.  I seems attractive from the graphics 
>>>> and
>>>>  book production point-of-view.  I would like Michael's view on the
>>>>  typrsetting, fonts etc.
>>>>
>>>>  'Porth' seems to be based on somewhere like Mousehole / Porth Enys.
>>>>  What
>>>>  do folk think about that as an introductory device to the language?
>>>>
>>>>  I would be very  interested in informed critique of this production.
>>>>
>>>>  This is has now replaced the series of articles by Rod Lyon as the
>>>>  Kernewek
>>>>  feature in Cornish World.  I shall miss these - and would very much 
>>>> wish
>>>>  that Rod could do a series of  recordings of them.  My problem as a
>>>>  distabne
>>>>  learner (seized up if not in abeyance) is confidence in the 
>>>> pronunciation
>>>>  of
>>>>  the language.  (Spellyans so far does not allay this.)
>>>>
>>>>  -an Ken ken
>>>>
>>>>  (Prof) Ken MacKinnon,
>>>>  Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,
>>>>  The Black Isle, by Dingwall,
>>>>  Ross-shire  IV7 8HX
>>>>  Tel: 01349 - 863460
>>>>  E-mail: kenmackinnon at enterprise.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>  From: "Craig Weatherhill" <weatherhill at freenet.co.uk>
>>>>  To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>>>>  Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:12 AM
>>>>  Subject: Re: [Spellyans] More on bys/bes words and diacritical marks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  Oh, now this IS interesting, Pat.  Neither Nicholas nor I appear in 
>>>>> the
>>>>>  Bardic roll.  Yes, we both resigned our bardship, and the list could 
>>>>> say
>>>>>  so.  However, what the Gorsedd appears to be doing is to write our
>>>>>  bardship out of history.  The facts remain that I was installed as a
>>>>>  Bard in 1981 for services to archaeology, and Nicholas rather earlier
>>  >>> than that for services to the language.  Those facts cannot be 
>> discarded
>>>>>  simply by omission.
>>>>>
>>>>>  However, if you then look at the list of Bardic Names, Delynyer
>>>>>  Hendhyscans is there, followed by the words "resigned" and 
>>>>> Weatherhill.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Someone at the Gorsedd is being disingenuous, I feel.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Craig
>>>>>
>>>>>  Golvan, too is there, correctly identified (by surname only) as 
>>>>> Williams
>>>>>  - but no mention of resignation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Pat wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.gorsethkernow.org.uk/english/archives/newbards/bardic_roll.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.gorsethkernow.org.uk/english/archives/newbards/bardic_names.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  This is the link to this years which were announced last week.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.gorsethkernow.org.uk/english/archives/newbards/bard2008.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  My apologies for going off topic Michael, but we have recently put 
>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>  new lists of Bards on the Gorseth website which can be searched by
>>>>>>>  surname or Bardic names.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Give the URLs?
>>>>>>  --
>>>>>>  Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com <http://www.evertype.com/>
>>>>>>
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